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    Post by Gin93 July 4th 2010, 8:03 pm

    from, other websites.
    from Sonic retro:

    Chaos' eventual reappearence (though as mute and inscrutible as ever) atop Holy Summit in Sonic Battle leaves the possiblity that Tikal too may still be around, somewhere.


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    Q: Isn't Tikal dead?
    A: Tikal
    was born about 4000 years ago, but when she sealed herself and Chaos
    into the Master Emerald, they were sealed inside and I assume no time
    passed for them, because when Tikal was released, she still was alive
    and looked the same as she did in the past, as you see in the end of
    Sonic Adventure when she turns back into her true form. I think the
    ball of light she could turn into was not her spirit, but one of her
    abilities. When Chaos and Tikal rose into the air and disappeared, they
    were perhaps going back to the past, to another time that would have
    been, or to the Emerald Shrine, or perhaps they even were going to
    different times to protect the Chao from anyone who might try to hurt
    them. To further prove this theory, the picture at the end of SA showed
    Tikal and Chaos at the Emerald shrine; most of the SA ending pictures
    took place after the stories. So my answer is no, Tikal is not dead.

    So there you go, tikal isnt dead.
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    Post by TheShadowWalker July 4th 2010, 8:09 pm

    Factual error:
    If they DID go back to the past...
    Tikal IS dead, since she was an echidna, but Chaos is alive, being a form of water.
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    Post by Gin93 July 4th 2010, 8:20 pm

    TheShadowWalker wrote:Factual error:
    If they DID go back to the past...
    Tikal IS dead, since she was an echidna, but Chaos is alive, being a form of water.
    i still say shes aliveProof that Tikal is alive. 265300
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    Post by Gin93 July 5th 2010, 6:24 pm

    Tikal has not been seen since in the storyline, and it is not known
    where she and Chaos went, but the image after the Super Sonic story
    credits might suggest that she went to Angel Island.

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    Post by Jaded Jirachi July 5th 2010, 6:26 pm

    Gin93 wrote:Tikal has not been seen since in the storyline, and it is not known
    where she and Chaos went, but the image after the Super Sonic story
    credits might suggest that she went to Angel Island.

    update from same website

    I totally agree
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    Post by Ember022 July 18th 2010, 10:58 pm

    Both her and Chaos are still sealed inside of the master emerald encase something like the events in SA ever happen again so no she's not dead really she's kinda immortal.
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    Post by The Freedom Fighter July 19th 2010, 12:19 am

    She's alive in Sonic Supreme, so my answer is obvious.
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    Post by Sweet_Savannah_Charmy July 19th 2010, 5:44 am

    It's likely that since their [Chaos and Tikal] spirits were resolved, they were allowed to pass on and do whatever. For Chaos, being a sort of god-thing, this could mean that he could come back when needed. Tiakl, on the other hand...no. Her soul has gone, she's deader than a door. She's not coming back as a living being (flashbacks may be plausible).

    I just find it grossly hypocritical that people ask for less recurring characters yet want a character who was completely resolved to come back for no reason. She's a one-shot (sans her non-canon SA2 multiplayer appearance), she doesn't warrant coming back.
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    Post by Shade July 19th 2010, 6:18 am

    Tikal was a good character, and I hope that she is not dead. However, she is not completely alive, either. She might have come back as a ghost or a spirit.
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    Post by The Freedom Fighter July 19th 2010, 7:13 am

    Why would she be dead, anyway? She just got locked in a jewel for no real reason. Where does it say that kills you?
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    Post by Sweet_Savannah_Charmy July 19th 2010, 10:14 am

    The part where you're stuck in there for 4000 years and therefore lose your physical body if you haven't before you got sealed?
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    Post by Shade July 19th 2010, 10:40 am

    Sweet_Savannah_Charmy wrote:The part where you're stuck in there for 4000 years and therefore lose your physical body if you haven't before you got sealed?

    Well, if Tikal was stuck in there for 4000 years, the probability is that she did not lose her physical body and is therefore still alive.
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    Post by The Freedom Fighter July 19th 2010, 10:59 am

    Sweet Silence wrote:
    Sweet_Savannah_Charmy wrote:The part where you're stuck in there for 4000 years and therefore lose your physical body if you haven't before you got sealed?

    Well, if Tikal was stuck in there for 4000 years, the probability is that she did not lose her physical body and is therefore still alive.
    Exactly. We never had any reason to believe she'd die and turn into a ghost inside the emerald.
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    Post by Sweet_Savannah_Charmy July 19th 2010, 12:00 pm

    Physical bodies don't turn into balls of light. She existed merely as a conscience and spirit by the events of Sonic Adventure, with no physical body.
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    Post by Shade July 19th 2010, 12:58 pm

    Sweet_Savannah_Charmy wrote:Physical bodies don't turn into balls of light. She existed merely as a conscience and spirit by the events of Sonic Adventure, with no physical body.

    Yeah, you've got a point. That probably does mean that she is dead. Still, she does exist (as a spirit) although she may be dead.

    So Tikal is not completely lost: she still exists, although she might have died.

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    Post by Gin93 July 19th 2010, 1:56 pm

    Sweet Silence wrote:
    Sweet_Savannah_Charmy wrote:Physical bodies don't turn into balls of light. She existed merely as a conscience and spirit by the events of Sonic Adventure, with no physical body.

    Yeah, you've got a point. That probably does mean that she is dead. Still, she does exist (as a spirit) although she may be dead.

    So Tikal is not completely lost: she still exists, although she might have died.

    one could say its the power of the master emerald
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    Post by Shade July 19th 2010, 2:08 pm

    Gin93 wrote:
    Sweet Silence wrote:
    Sweet_Savannah_Charmy wrote:Physical bodies don't turn into balls of light. She existed merely as a conscience and spirit by the events of Sonic Adventure, with no physical body.

    Yeah, you've got a point. That probably does mean that she is dead. Still, she does exist (as a spirit) although she may be dead.

    So Tikal is not completely lost: she still exists, although she might have died.

    one could say its the power of the master emerald

    Yes, that might be true. That is, if the Master Emerald has the power to recall the dead and/or contain spirits of people who have been trapped in mediums for up to 4000 years, as Tikal was.
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    Post by Hayzer July 19th 2010, 6:37 pm

    Dude, Tikal's been dead. Sealing herself in the Master Emerald was a sacrifice. That means she's dead. She's just a Spirit now. Plain and simple.

    All this guy's doing is speculating to his heart's content. His answer is no more true than the Solar system being geocentric. Because it's been proven otherwise.
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    Post by The Freedom Fighter July 19th 2010, 6:49 pm

    Sweet Silence wrote:
    Gin93 wrote:
    Sweet Silence wrote:
    Sweet_Savannah_Charmy wrote:Physical bodies don't turn into balls of light. She existed merely as a conscience and spirit by the events of Sonic Adventure, with no physical body.

    Yeah, you've got a point. That probably does mean that she is dead. Still, she does exist (as a spirit) although she may be dead.

    So Tikal is not completely lost: she still exists, although she might have died.

    one could say its the power of the master emerald

    Yes, that might be true. That is, if the Master Emerald has the power to recall the dead and/or contain spirits of people who have been trapped in mediums for up to 4000 years, as Tikal was.
    Or even Chaos Powers. After all, being sealed within that much power for 4000 years is going to give you a lot of power to play with and absorb. For all we know (and Sonic Supreme supports this as you'll see someday, fellow readers) she may know tons of moves we couldn't hope to imagine.
    Hayzer wrote:Dude, Tikal's been dead. Sealing herself in the Master Emerald was a sacrifice. That means she's dead. She's just a Spirit now. Plain and simple.

    All this guy's doing is speculating to his heart's content. His answer is no more true than the Solar system being geocentric. Because it's been proven otherwise.
    Where is this proof then that she sacrificed herself? I'll believe you if you can find some to show us all.
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    Post by Gin93 July 19th 2010, 7:08 pm

    i mean in sa2(even though it was a cameo) in vs tikal shows up taking damage and stuff.
    btw, whats sonic supreme
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    Post by Hayzer July 19th 2010, 7:55 pm

    Gin93 wrote:i mean in sa2(even though it was a cameo) in vs tikal shows up taking damage and stuff.
    btw, whats sonic supreme

    You're incorporating non-canon multiplayer in SA2 into the canon of SA?

    Well, if you're going to do that, you would also need to explain how Tikal and Chaos escaped the Master Emerald again, figure out how a chao and Big got a super powerful walker-machine, and how Metal Sonic fits into the canon as well, not to mention why Shadow isn't dead (because at the end of SA2 he's led on to be dead).

    You can't do it without speculation. (And btw, Multiplayer is hardly ever canon. Especially in Sonic games.)

    The only time I can think of is in Zelda: Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures.

    The Freedom Fighter wrote:Where is this proof then that she sacrificed herself? I'll believe you if you can find some to show us all.

    Well, considering the fact that her spirit is sealed in the Master Emerald, it definitely implies that she is in fact, dead (she has no body). Couple that with the fact that she floats away into the sky at the end, it definitely tells us that she's not alive (a spirit without a body usually means the body's dead). The safest (and simplest, ala Occum's Razor) explanation is that Tikal died when she was sealed away into the Master Emerald.

    Besides, the very fact that she's refered to as a spirit pretty much tells us she has no body, therefore, she's dead.
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    Post by The Freedom Fighter July 19th 2010, 8:00 pm

    Hayzer wrote:
    The Freedom Fighter wrote:Where is this proof then that she sacrificed herself? I'll believe you if you can find some to show us all.

    Well, considering the fact that her spirit is sealed in the Master Emerald, it definitely implies that she is in fact, dead (she has no body). Couple that with the fact that she floats away into the sky at the end, it definitely tells us that she's not alive (a spirit without a body usually means the body's dead). The safest (and simplest, ala Occum's Razor) explanation is that Tikal died when she was sealed away into the Master Emerald.

    Besides, the very fact that she's refered to as a spirit pretty much tells us she has no body, therefore, she's dead.
    Who says she doesn't have a body? And once again, it could just be the power she would have gained from the Master Emerald. That's just as safe and simple.
    And that still doesn't say she sacrificed herself.
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    Post by Hayzer July 19th 2010, 8:08 pm

    The Freedom Fighter wrote:
    Who says she doesn't have a body?
    She floats away in the sky at the end of Adventure.

    The Freedom FIghter wrote:And once again, it could just be the power she would have gained from the Master Emerald. That's just as safe and simple.
    And that still doesn't say she sacrificed herself.

    It's actually more complicated. What I'm saying is this:

    Tikal is dead because she sealed away her spirit (not body) in the Master Emerald.

    You are saying:

    Tikal isn't dead because she sealed away her body and spirit in the Master Emerald, which subsequently granted her immortality, which explains how she lived 4000 years.

    Mine is much simpler. Yours has more rescuing devices, which don't need to be there at all.
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    Post by The Freedom Fighter July 19th 2010, 8:14 pm

    Hayzer wrote:
    The Freedom Fighter wrote:
    Who says she doesn't have a body?
    She floats away in the sky at the end of Adventure.
    ...And?
    Hayzer wrote:
    The Freedom FIghter wrote:And once again, it could just be the power she would have gained from the Master Emerald. That's just as safe and simple.
    And that still doesn't say she sacrificed herself.

    It's actually more complicated. What I'm saying is this:

    Tikal is dead because she sealed away her spirit (not body) in the Master Emerald.

    You are saying:

    Tikal isn't dead because she sealed away her body and spirit in the Master Emerald, which subsequently granted her immortality, which explains how she lived 4000 years.

    Mine is much simpler. Yours has more rescuing devices, which don't need to be there at all.
    Yours assumes she sealed herself, which makes no sense as to why she'd only seal her spirit, and why she'd seal herself at all.
    Mine assumes she got sealed for some reason and says how she lived as well.
    Actually, Tikal doesn't even ask for a seal. She just asked for the ME to stop Chaos. It's not her fault the ME decided how to do so.
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    Hayzer wrote:
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    Who says she doesn't have a body?
    She floats away in the sky at the end of Adventure.

    So does chaos, but he turns up fine in Sonic battle, what does that say about tikal

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