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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by The Freedom Fighter on January 16th 2012, 1:43 pm

    http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2012/01/ajs-sopa-update/
    1:32 is where the good stuff is.
    And an article too.
    http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2012/01/sopa-whitehouse/


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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Shadowsgirl on January 18th 2012, 12:31 am

    Shadiwulf wrote:
    Shadowsgirl wrote:
    And the real kicker?

    They wouldn't even need PROOF of illegal activity. Only suspicion. When it comes to legislation, the things that are NOT said can be just as important as the things that ARE. And this bill does NOT say that any sort of proof would be needed before action is taken against an offending site. There's a reason cops have to get a warrant before they can search your home: to prevent them from abusing their power and authority. The government's approach to piracy with SOPA is to shoot first and ask questions later, because the ends justify the means to them. This sort of thing is incredibly similar to how China censors its internet.

    I just need to point out, that this is a lie. The website owner WILL get notified first. The only reason the website would go down is because the owner failed to obey orders.

    This bill isn't as bad as people make it out to be. It won't kill the internet.
    Yes, the website owner will be notified, but they only have 5 days to file a countermeasure according to this bill. So what happens if Joe T. Siteowner is away on vacation when they attempt to contact him? Or unable to respond due to some other real life complication? He's screwed, that's what.

    The way the bill wants to censor internet is by blacklisting the Domain Name Server (DNS) of offending sites. Do that, and you pretty much remove the 'world wide' part from the World Wide Web. The process alone by which this bill seeks to attacks piracy would undermine the vital network infrastructure that allowed the internet to become what it is today. And while it would be possible to get around the DNS block if you know how, MOST average users aren't aware of those kinds of back doors.

    Also, there's a sister bill to this thing, called PIPA. Same bill, different name. One's in the House, one is in the Senate. SOPA is currently stalled, but PIPA is still going full steam ahead it seems.

    Many, many websites are going to be blacking themselves out tomorrow in protest of PIPA. I've seen it called the 'largest internet protest ever'. And then one of the biggest supporters of SOPA and PIPA has the nerve to call the blackout protest an "abuse of power". As a friend of mine put it-
    MPAA:*starts talking in a whiny voice* "WHAAAA PEOPLE ARE ABUSING THEIR POWERS TO KEEP US FROM ABUSING OURS"

    A LOT of up to date SOPA and PIPA info can be found on this DA group: http://stop-sopa-group.deviantart.com/
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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Nnoitra Hushimo on January 18th 2012, 4:38 pm

    Seems like Mark Zuckerberg isn't going to support SOPA or PIPA anytime soon.

    "The internet is the most powerful tool we have for creating a more open and connected world. We can't let poorly thought out laws get in the way of the internet's development. Facebook opposes SOPA and PIPA, and we will continue to oppose any laws that will hurt the internet."

    Seems to be the same with Google.

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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Shadowsgirl on January 19th 2012, 7:10 pm

    It's not over yet. Despite yesterday having a huge protest, today the government decided to pull this stunt:
    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/01/19/feds-shut-down-file-sharing-website/
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g0HiB0PrdprLqIHlwUdYtB05l2sA?docId=c93737704b504930a11fc307d67b674d
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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Jmh on January 19th 2012, 8:23 pm

    This is what a normal video game commentary would be like if these bills passed:

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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Nnoitra Hushimo on January 19th 2012, 9:19 pm

    I smell a hint of Fascism in the American government...

    Here's also a video about SOPA/PIPA.



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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Shadowsgirl on January 19th 2012, 9:35 pm

    I've seen everything from people calling the current politicians nazis to calling for revolution and war. I also read that yesterday's protest caused the websites of several congressmen to crash, jammed up Congress' switchboard with calls, and crashed the servers for some of their websites. Perhaps the attack on Megaupload is retaliation? I do know that this hasn't been taken kindly. Anonymous has hacked and crashed several sites of SOPA supporters when they learned about this.
    http://torrentfreak.com/anonymous-retaliates-for-megaupload-shutdown-120120/

    The government CLAIMS the takedown of Megaupload was due to it being in violation of laws unrelated to SOPA or PIPA. But if that's true why did they wait until NOW to take action against the website? Or later? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the timing of this event, if it IS genuinely unrelated to SOPA/PIPA, is quite poor.

    EDIT: ....wow. Just...wow
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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by The Freedom Fighter on January 19th 2012, 10:56 pm

    I figure Anonymous won't last too much longer after this, but they've definitely grabbed the government's attention if they really shut down their sites.

    And by the way...
    http://www.zeldainformer.com/2012/01/us-justice-department-shuts-down-megaupload-why-this-should-make-you-angryat-megaupload.html


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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Jmh on January 20th 2012, 1:53 am

    Megaupload is back online.

    http://109.236.83.66/

    Edit: I think that was a false alarm, not sure.
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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Shadowsgirl on January 20th 2012, 5:12 am

    No I don't believe it was a false alarm. Megaupload quickly moved to a new URL after feds tried shutting down the old one.
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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Nnoitra Hushimo on January 20th 2012, 8:33 am

    Mly wrote:I'm honestly not worried at this point. You can't stop irritus. And that's what the internet basically is in this situation: Irritus. Invalid. Void. Such is the sort of monster whose heart you can pull out and cut into pieces, and yet the heart will continue to beat. Such is the monster whose brain you can empty a clip into, and yet it still walks forward, unrelenting and unaffected, coming ever closer to its enemies to bend or even break them. The government is not, was never, and will never be almighty.


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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Shadowsgirl on January 20th 2012, 10:10 am

    Mly wrote:I'm honestly not worried at this point. You can't stop irritus. And that's what the internet basically is in this situation: Irritus. Invalid. Void. Such is the sort of monster whose heart you can pull out and cut into pieces, and yet the heart will continue to beat. Such is the monster whose brain you can empty a clip into, and yet it still walks forward, unrelenting and unaffected, coming ever closer to its enemies to bend or even break them. The government is not, was never, and will never be almighty.

    The only thing about that which worries me is the government is the one with control over our military. AKA they have all the guns. So if they wanted to just screw it, or if this ends up blowing up into the American Civil War sequel, it may be a one-sided battle.

    I really really hope I'm just being paranoid....
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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Army on January 20th 2012, 12:21 pm

    Shadowgirl, just so you know, DNS blocking was removed from the bill, just so you know.

    Also, Anon isn't doing anything major. All they're doing is spray painting the side of a courthouse. :/
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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by The Freedom Fighter on January 20th 2012, 12:59 pm

    Yeah, but the attack against MegaUpload was very suspicious timing. I really think it was a message to the pirates saying, "We don't need a bill to take you down." Just because they've been going after MegaUpload for years doesn't make yesterday the day to take it down. If they wanted it down they could have done it months ago, even years ago, but no, they waited. The question now is why, and whether Youtube will be next.


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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Shadowsgirl on January 20th 2012, 5:59 pm

    Shadiwulf wrote:Shadowgirl, just so you know, DNS blocking was removed from the bill, just so you know.

    There's still the issue of the bills actually being able to define "infringement". Believe me, I did debate for 4 years in high school. We could win rounds by arguing over the meaning of a word. And we could and DID run arguments over words like "the" and "of" and "United States". The fact that the definition of infringement in these bills is so vague...that is just BEGGING to be abused.

    And then there's the fact that it doesn't even have to be the government that shuts you down. The company holding the copyright can file a motion, and the website gets blacklisted (by whatever other means if it's not DNS) without even going through a court system to determine if it's a legit case of infringement or not.
    Let's give an example. Say a site user uploads a grotesque fan picture of Eggman in a bikini stealing the Little Mermaid's seashell bra. Someone from Disney sees, and doesn't like the way this art portrays their character. They can have the site shut down for that.

    This ALSO makes website owners responsible for EVERY LITTLE THING their users upload. Say you run a small site with about 1000 members. Every day, each member uploads about 5 things, and makes about 10 comments on various stuff. That's 50,000 uploads a day that YOU are now responsible for the content of under SOPA/PIPA. If even ONE of them happens to rub a copyright holding company the wrong way, your entire site is being shut down.

    So just because they remove the DNS filtering doesn't mean SOPA is now a harmless bill. A tiger without its claws can still bite.

    EDIT: Yes, I completely agree with you, TFF. It's the timing of their take-down of Megaupload that strikes me the most. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that people won't take it well if it happens less than 24 hours after the Blakout Protest.
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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Zez on January 20th 2012, 6:13 pm

    It's not the internet I'm worried about, it's the government. This is their assertion of unconstitutional dominance over people and their activities. If this continues we have the right to abolish the current government and establish a new one.

    Problem is, how much better will the next one be?
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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by The Freedom Fighter on January 20th 2012, 8:09 pm

    Shadowsgirl wrote:So just because they remove the DNS filtering doesn't mean SOPA is now a harmless bill. A tiger without its claws can still bite.
    SOPA is kind of worthless now. Even if it can come back (and it's very, very unlikely), it seems like the government doesn't even need it. They can take down sites with barely a warning, and I foresee an entanglement with Youtube soon if they stick to this hardazz approach.
    Zez wrote:It's not the internet I'm worried about, it's the government. This is their assertion of unconstitutional dominance over people and their activities. If this continues we have the right to abolish the current government and establish a new one.

    Problem is, how much better will the next one be?
    If the government gets taken down, it'll go worse, then better, then maybe worse again, and then better. That's just how it goes. The problem will be that if our government goes down, it's probably going to have repercussions for the whole world.

    EDIT: http://kotaku.com/5877996/esa-drops-sopa-support
    If ESA is out, I think the bills are perma-dead.


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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Shadowsgirl on January 20th 2012, 8:43 pm

    Zez wrote:It's not the internet I'm worried about, it's the government. This is their assertion of unconstitutional dominance over people and their activities. If this continues we have the right to abolish the current government and establish a new one.

    Problem is, how much better will the next one be?
    The Constitution itself is sound...it's the people serving as our elected officials that are the problem.
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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Shadowsgirl on January 21st 2012, 7:13 pm

    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120120/14472117492/mpaa-directly-publicly-threatens-politicians-who-arent-corrupt-enough-to-stay-bought.shtml

    Stupid freaking MPAA trying to get SOPA and PIPA passed no matter what. Then we've got the ACTA which is like SOPA/PIPA on an international level, and the NDAA (a bill which was signed into law on Dec. 31, 2011 which allows the military to detain suspected terrorists for however long they want, even US citizens)... These freedom killing bills just keep popping up!
    http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2012/021/8/b/america_under_seige_by_amenrenet-d4n5q6z.jpg (pic too big so linked instead)
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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Zez on January 22nd 2012, 1:42 pm

    That's definitely an idea.
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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Shadowsgirl on January 23rd 2012, 12:32 am

    I try to keep posting the most up-to-date info, and I have this topic bookmarked but you mods do what you see best.

    Speaking of up to date, Lamar Smith, brilliant author of the SOPA and PIPA stuff, has not learned his lesson about trying to screw one over on the internet and has brought up yet ANOTHER BILL!
    http://www.slashgear.com/sopa-sponsor-has-another-internet-bill-that-records-you-247-20210264/
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20084939-281/house-panel-approves-broadened-isp-snooping-bill/
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/08/the-legislation-that-could-kill-internet-privacy-for-good/242853/

    This bill acts under the pretense of stopping child porn. By forcing your Internet Service Provider to record your bank statements, creditcard numbers, IP address, and a list of every little thing you look up online for the last 18 months. And the government can ask for this info and get it just for investigating you under suspicion of ANY crime, not just child porn.
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    Re: Drawing Attention to an important issue

    Post by Shadowsgirl on January 23rd 2012, 1:28 am

    If you do that, let Cthulhu know the idiot behind these bills is Lamar Smith, a representative from Texas. He's the author of them all.

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