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    Silver needs to go.

    Post by Dr. Felix on April 14th 2012, 2:27 pm

    He's poorly received, has a backstory that is a ripoff of Trunks' story from DBZ, and he's uninspired, whines constantly, and his story is over.

    There's basically no need for Silver anymore. Agreed? :P
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    Post by Jmh on April 14th 2012, 2:51 pm

    Personally, I think they should keep him as I see potential in him, as with the other characters.
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    Post by Dr. Felix on April 14th 2012, 3:08 pm

    Jmh wrote:Personally, I think they should keep him as I see potential in him, as with the other characters.
    I see what you mean, but he's been here for six years, since '06, he's been just a folly for party games & multiplayer mode. :/
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    Post by Guest on April 14th 2012, 6:00 pm

    I agree with JMH.
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    Post by Smilenow on April 14th 2012, 6:33 pm

    Nobody shall take Silver away!!!!!!!
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    Post by Guest on April 14th 2012, 6:35 pm

    Silver wasn't that bad in 06 (excluding gameplay).


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    Post by The Freedom Fighter on April 14th 2012, 11:03 pm

    Silver has some of the most fun gameplay, so it would be sad but understandable to see him go.


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    Re: Silver needs to go.

    Post by Nnoitra Hushimo on April 15th 2012, 1:05 am

    He has potential, so I'd be a little sad if he left.
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    Re: Silver needs to go.

    Post by 84 on April 16th 2012, 7:05 pm

    He's a proud symbol for marijuana supporters everywhere.
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    Post by Jmh on April 16th 2012, 7:14 pm

    84 wrote:He's a proud symbol for marijuana supporters everywhere.
    Pothead the Porcupine.
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    Post by Guest on April 17th 2012, 10:28 pm

    The Freedom Fighter wrote:Silver has some of the most fun gameplay, so it would be sad but understandable to see him go.

    By gameplay, I meant the glitches. Besides those, yep, it's awesome.

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    Post by MightyErzu on April 19th 2012, 12:46 pm

    Silver needs to go? I don't think so.
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    Post by Guest on April 19th 2012, 4:53 pm

    MightyErzu wrote:Silver needs to go? I don't think so.

    Intended rhyme?
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    Post by Smilenow on April 19th 2012, 8:35 pm

    Intended rhyme or not, I agree.
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    Re: Silver needs to go.

    Post by NeoMetalSonic on April 20th 2012, 5:33 am

    You misspell Shadow

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    Post by Mly V20 on April 20th 2012, 5:47 am

    If you're going to go by how they're performing at present rather than how they'd be doing if the teams behind the games were actually worth a crap, then yeah, the majority of the damn cast needs to go. Sonic himself needs to go, by that standard.

    In reality, though, almost all of the characters would be just fine given a good team to write the plots and such in the games. So in reality, the majority of the Sonic Team and Sega needs to go. And, coincidentally, it seems that's just recently happened. And it seems like they're poised to get rid of damn near everything but Sonic himself. Green Hill Zone? Could very well not exist in the upcoming retconned canon. Tails? Who's Tails?

    Even worse, the entire system of people behind Sonic and co. could very well collapse under the weight of its own inanity soon, and if a good "official" Sonic game is ever seen again after that, it'll be because everything fell apart and some entity capable of doing it got the rights and such long after the fact. Regardless of what happens, it's likely a while off, past the biggest bumps in the road for Sonic to ever see.

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    Post by Jmh on April 20th 2012, 10:02 pm

    Mly V20 wrote:If you're going to go by how they're performing at present rather than how they'd be doing if the teams behind the games were actually worth a crap, then yeah, the majority of the damn cast needs to go. Sonic himself needs to go, by that standard.

    In reality, though, almost all of the characters would be just fine given a good team to write the plots and such in the games. So in reality, the majority of the Sonic Team and Sega needs to go. And, coincidentally, it seems that's just recently happened. And it seems like they're poised to get rid of damn near everything but Sonic himself. Green Hill Zone? Could very well not exist in the upcoming retconned canon. Tails? Who's Tails?

    Even worse, the entire system of people behind Sonic and co. could very well collapse under the weight of its own inanity soon, and if a good "official" Sonic game is ever seen again after that, it'll be because everything fell apart and some entity capable of doing it got the rights and such long after the fact. Regardless of what happens, it's likely a while off, past the biggest bumps in the road for Sonic to ever see.

    Be careful what you wish for, kids.
    Heck, they may even replace Sonic with the original "Mr. Needlemouse."

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    Post by Mly V20 on April 20th 2012, 10:19 pm

    No, pretty sure they said they're definitely keeping Sonic and Eggman. Might be some re-interpretation of them, but me, I say that should be done anyway. And because I'm such an opinionated cunt, I'll tell you why:

    Eggman is just a generic jackass who isn't all that smart. He's a pretty good guy, after it's all said and done. You can occasionally tell that, even though he's the villain, he has a bit of style and class and so on. And that suit he's been in since Pocket Adventure is amazing and only gets more so every time they update the model. (Except for '06. Do not want freakish-looking Eggman with 4 golden nipples and massive black crotch.) But he should be doing David Xanatos-type shit, trying to arrange the plot so that no matter what happens he comes out on top some how, making clear links of continuity by loosely linking bits of plots across several games, and so on, on top of building machines that don't have such massive and glaring flaws, with an IQ of 300. I think he should at least be smart enough to stay out of jumping reach like he did with some of his contraptions in the older games, until he got absent-minded and let the Egg-o-Matic float too low, or something. I mean, you have to actually be able to defeat the boss some sorta way, but it just seems ridiculous at times, that he doesn't just think to fly up long before whoever it is that's fighting him gets close enough to hit his ship.

    As for Sonic, personally I think he plain ol' shouldn't talk as much. The almost-silent protagonist, only talking when it's really important for some reason or another. Like was sort of implied by the old games, where they didn't have the resources in the Genesis to make him talk anyway. But then as soon as the games had the power to have much voice beyond "SEGA!" they made him talk, and it was retarded. Also, the stuff he actually does say needs to be at least cool, regardless of how much he talks. Now it looks cheesy because he still thinks it's the 90's or something.

    But my rant aside, everything else is not a given to still be canonically existent when the next (big[I guess they plan to make in-between little games to stay sort of afloat through this massive change. Dunno.]) Sonic game rolls around. Tails, Green Hill, the Death Egg, Angel Island, any given event in all the timeline, maybe even the chaos and master emeralds. Though I think there was mention of keeping them as well. Can't remember.
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    Post by Jmh on April 20th 2012, 10:27 pm

    Mly V20 wrote:Eggman is just a generic jackass who isn't all that smart. He's a pretty good guy, after it's all said and done. You can occasionally tell that, even though he's the villain, he has a bit of style and class and so on. And that suit he's been in since Pocket Adventure is amazing and only gets more so every time they update the model. (Except for '06. Do not want freakish-looking Eggman with 4 golden nipples and massive black crotch.) But he should be doing David Xanatos-type shit, trying to arrange the plot so that no matter what happens he comes out on top some how, making clear links of continuity by loosely linking bits of plots across several games, and so on, on top of building machines that don't have such massive and glaring flaws, with an IQ of 300. I think he should at least be smart enough to stay out of jumping reach like he did with some of his contraptions in the older games, until he got absent-minded or something and let the Egg-o-Matic float too low or something.

    As for Sonic, personally I think he plain ol' shouldn't talk as much. The almost-silent protagonist, only talking when it's really important for some reason or another. Like was sort of implied by the old games, where they didn't have the resources in the Genesis to make him talk anyway. But then as soon as the games had the power to have much voice beyond "SEGA!" they made him talk, and it was retarded. Also, the stuff he actually does say needs to be at least cool, regardless of how much he talks. Now it looks cheesy because he still thinks it's the 90's or something.
    I agree, I feel that Sonic should be a little more subtle with his personally, because as of late it seems like he's trying too hard.

    I also think it would be interesting if at the end of one game, Eggman actually wins. But not in the sense where "The bad guy wins" but more like everything you did in the game was actually the wrong choice and Eggman was trying to prevent Sonic from destroying the world on accident. Even though he's the villain, there are lines he won't cross.

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    Post by Mly V20 on April 20th 2012, 11:25 pm

    The only reason Eggman won't destroy the world is because then he can't rule over it. Well, he could, technically, but there's nothing useful to rule if he does that.

    Imagine: "I win! I own... a useless, barren rock with precious few remaining resources that I can't extract due to blowing up my robot army along with it.... I didn't think this through."

    The Death Egg, though, could theoretically have enough resources to re-colonize Earth/Mobius/whateverthehelltheplanet'ssupposedtobecalled after completely obliterating it. Countless robots, artificially maintained ecosystems to keep life safe there even if everything below is obliterated, etc. Which is probably one of the many reasons Sonic destroyed it.
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    Post by Jmh on April 20th 2012, 11:31 pm

    Mly V20 wrote:The only reason Eggman won't destroy the world is because then he can't rule over it. Well, he could, technically, but there's nothing useful to rule if he does that.

    Imagine: "I win! I own... a useless, barren rock with precious few remaining resources that I can't extract due to blowing up my robot army along with it.... I didn't think this through."

    The Death Egg, though, could theoretically have enough resources to re-colonize Earth/Mobius/whateverthehelltheplanet'ssupposedtobecalled after completely obliterating it. Countless robots, artificially maintained ecosystems to keep life safe there even if everything below is obliterated, etc. Which is probably one of the many reasons Sonic destroyed it.
    I just wish they would elaborate those kind of things more often.

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    Post by Mly V20 on April 20th 2012, 11:54 pm

    I just wish Eggman could properly control the monster of the game every so often. So you don't see the big monster he's brought out ~10 minutes into the game and instantly think, "Oh, there's the final boss." It does the exact opposite of what it was meant to do originally.

    When it first happened with Chaos in SA1, probably everyone started playing, half-expecting Chaos to be a character that was discarded somewhere further on in the plot, and for Eggman in some mega-machine to be the big, bad final boss like it always was before. That's pretty much what it was intended to do: Make everyone say "Holy shit, Eggman's NOT the final boss in this game!?"

    Then in SA2, the Biolizard came out of nowhere, seemingly just because the team couldn't think of a good final boss to delegate to Eggman. He didn't even get a sort of consolation prize there by being the final boss in the Hero story, like he was the final boss in both Sonic's and Tails's stories in SA1. Instead it was a rival battle between Sonic and Shadow. Given the way the game was, that's understandable, I suppose. Not the best choice even at its root level of the way the plot was laid out, but understandable.

    And as the series went on from there, Eggman sort of just got demoted from the villain of the Sonic series, to the owner of a robot army and fancy machines and such, who would sell those machines and that army to any monster he thought capable of granting him the power to take over the world. Again and again, each time being too stupid to realize how horribly this could go wrong and how it actually did go wrong many times before.
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    Re: Silver needs to go.

    Post by Jmh on April 20th 2012, 11:57 pm

    Well, Colors and Generations kind of fixed that problem.

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