Which game changed the Sonic franchise more?

I say SA2, I think it really made the best of Sonic. As much as Sonic 3 and Knuckles brought us Knuckles, SA2 brought us Shadow. Both are major turning points in the franchise, I just see SA2 in a better position. Timing needs to also be put into perspective.

I wouldn't necessarily say that they changed the series because of the addition of new characters, but new ideas. True, SA2 did craft a story with two sides, and it was certainly interesting to play as the villains for a change, but the ending didn't exactly find me well (the BioLizard). Also as far as timing goes, SA2 was the last hurrah for Sonic on a Sega console, and things have not been the same since then.

With S3&K, it was delivered at the height of a different time for Sonic, and the notion of an expansion to a console game was a new thing at the time. Suddenly a game with six levels doubled in size, and more so with Knuckles' levels tailor-made just for him.

None of these

^I forgot to make that an option, sorry.

Neither of the two. I know it's not an option but I'd say that Colors brings a better direction towards 3D Sonic games. While I believe Advance 1 works best for 2D. Play it if you haven't already.

3&K. SA2 just made things a little worse.

Jmh wrote:3&K. SA2 just made things a little worse.

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Suspicious Bush wrote:

Jmh wrote:3&K. SA2 just made things a little worse.

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What? Do people hate S3&K or something?

Jmh wrote:

Suspicious Bush wrote:
CUE FANRAEG!

What? Do people hate S3&K or something?

I was referring to the latter sentence.

I'd say Sonic Adventure 2 as it implemented lots of new ideas and yeah, I admit I'm a little bias when it comes to Sonic Adventure 2. =P Best game ever.

Sonic 3 & Knuckles. SA2 didn't really add much from SA, save Rouge and Shadow, who negatively impacted the series in my opinion. Just copycats of Sonic and Knuckles.

RidersDX wrote:I'd say Sonic Adventure 2 as it implemented lots of new ideas and yeah, I admit I'm a little bias when it comes to Sonic Adventure 2. =P Best game ever.

I completely agree.

And as much as SA2 follows SA, Sonic 3 and Knuckles follows Sonic 2 (to base an argument on this makes no sense imo). Shadow and Rouge have completely different personalities than Sonic and Knuckles. Also, Rouge later earned to fly (something Knuckles can't do), thus making her more like Tails ability wise (but still completely different personality). This is in reference to the above poster.

I liked Sonic 3 and Knuckles, great game for Knux. But I liked Sonic 2 better. And I liked SA2 even more. SA2 just happened to bring Shadow and since then Knuckles' impact has lessened.

I liked both games, although I liked S3&K a little more. However, I don't see how S3&K was a turning point, so much as just a really good game. I would also think Sonic Adventure (1) would be more of a turning point as it was the transition from 2D to 3D (which some might say wasn't necessarily a good thing, but whatever).

I think Sonic 2 might've done more to change the series than 3 & Knuckles.

Lol, Sonic 3 and Knuckles is better BY FAR. Not only does Sonic 3 and Knuckles preform its gimmicks much better(Instead of having characters play entirely different from the core style, they play similar to the core style but with their own little twist), Sonic Adventure 2, because of the tedious treasure hunting, the boring mech shooting levels, the ear rape rap music, and last but certainly not least, it's amount of praise. Sonic Adventure 2 is by far the most overrated Sonic, even more overrated than Sonic 3 and Knuckles.

NeoMetalSonic wrote:None of these

Yes, Sonic Adventure probably made the biggest impact, despite my disliking for the game. Granted Sonic 06 made a big impact as well, not in a good way though.

Schismatist wrote:Lol, Sonic 3 and Knuckles is better BY FAR. Not only does Sonic 3 and Knuckles preform its gimmicks much better(Instead of having characters play entirely different from the core style, they play similar to the core style but with their own little twist), Sonic Adventure 2, because of the tedious treasure hunting, the boring mech shooting levels, the ear rape rap music, and last but certainly not least, it's amount of praise. Sonic Adventure 2 is by far the most overrated Sonic, even more overrated than Sonic 3 and Knuckles.

NeoMetalSonic wrote:None of these

Yes, Sonic Adventure probably made the biggest impact, despite my disliking for the game. Granted Sonic 06 made a big impact as well, not in a good way though.

This man deserve a medal

Schismatist, you have to understand that almost all of that was opinion based. I liked the treasure hunt levels, and the shooting stages weren't that bad. But even if I absolutely adored the shooting and treasure hunt levels, it wouldn't matter, that's just my opinion. However, if the game has received a large amount of praise, it's probably (although not always) simply because a lot of people liked the game, which means that it couldn't of been all that terrible.
As for Sonic 3&K being overrated, I would like you to elaborate on that one. I kinda want to know why someone is bashing my favorite Sonic game >_> Sorry...

Schismatist, you have to understand that almost all of that was opinion based.

Yes, this is a forum, people shouldn't come here to state facts, that'd be hilarious.

I liked the treasure hunt levels, and the shooting stages weren't that bad. But even if I absolutely adored the shooting and treasure hunt levels, it wouldn't matter, that's just my opinion.

Exactly, your opinion. And that was my opinion.

However, if the game has received a large amount of praise, it's probably (although not always) simply because a lot of people liked the game, which means that it couldn't of been all that terrible.

I don't think Adventure 2 is terrible, but it certainly has flaws that some people just simply deny for no good reason. My guess is because Sonic Adventure 2 is just a more presentable, should I say, "figure" than other 3D games because of its Sonic gameplay and the great story.

As for Sonic 3&K being overrated, I would like you to elaborate on that one. I kinda want to know why someone is bashing my favorite Sonic game >_> Sorry...

Sonic 3 and Knuckles is my 2nd favorite Sonic game. I don't hate it, but some people blindly consider it "The best" because it's well, the same case as Sonic Adventure 2, it's more presentable. Perhaps I'm just tired of not seeing a 2D game that can actually stand up against Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Not counting Sonic 2.

Schismatist wrote:Lol, Sonic 3 and Knuckles is better BY FAR. Not only does Sonic 3 and Knuckles preform its gimmicks much better(Instead of having characters play entirely different from the core style, they play similar to the core style but with their own little twist), Sonic Adventure 2, because of the tedious treasure hunting, the boring mech shooting levels, the ear rape rap music, and last but certainly not least, it's amount of praise. Sonic Adventure 2 is by far the most overrated Sonic, even more overrated than Sonic 3 and Knuckles.

NeoMetalSonic wrote:None of these

Yes, Sonic Adventure probably made the biggest impact, despite my disliking for the game. Granted Sonic 06 made a big impact as well, not in a good way though.

I enjoy the treasure hunting. I admit it does get old, but it's pretty neat. The shooting levels were also fun, and the rap music was okay. But what I loved the most about SA2 was that it had a story, and a coherent logical story.

3D style is also different from 2D, so game has to lend itself to being different (gimmicks weren't involved as much). At least this is my feeling about it.

I can understand if you find it overrated. That's fine with me if you didn't like it. However, on a separate 2D scale (I separate the 3D and 2D games as different scenarios) I find Sonic 3 and Knuckles a much less exciting game than Sonic 2. Sonic 2 had more of an impact on me, but then again, no 2D game had as much impact as Sonic Adventure 2 did (to me anyway). But in all honesty, I prefer Rush Adventure to Sonic 3.

I like Sonic 3, don't get me wrong, it's just not my favorite. Certainly not my least favorite game though.

You're right, I suppose opinions are called for here. I think what I meant is you saying it's overrated because of your opinions. Whatever, doesn't matter.

Back on topic, while I favored Sonic 3 over 2, I think mostly because of the ability to save, level select, and hyper sonic, Sonic 2 I believe changed the franchise more simply because it added the first additional character as well as spindash, Sonic's iconic attack (aside from the more recent homing attack).

I would also like to point out Sonic 2006's affect on the franchise. Starting from that game, the 3D games have become less platform orientated and more focused on speed and more speed. While the game itself may not of been the best in the series, its influence can be linked to better new ones, like Colors (albeit Colors has cut back the speed a little for more platforming).

nuva500 wrote:You're right, I suppose opinions are called for here. I think what I meant is you saying it's overrated because of your opinions. Whatever, doesn't matter.

Back on topic, while I favored Sonic 3 over 2, I think mostly because of the ability to save, level select, and hyper sonic, Sonic 2 I believe changed the franchise more simply because it added the first additional character as well as spindash, Sonic's iconic attack (aside from the more recent homing attack).

I would also like to point out Sonic 2006's affect on the franchise. Starting from that game, the 3D games have become less platform orientated and more focused on speed and more speed. While the game itself may not of been the best in the series, its influence can be linked to better new ones, like Colors (albeit Colors has cut back the speed a little for more platforming).

While I don't care for Sonic 2006, I do appreciate the platform genre more than the speed 3D. I wish they'd bring it back. they let one game get them in the hole there.

Sonic Adventure 2 wrote:

nuva500 wrote:You're right, I suppose opinions are called for here. I think what I meant is you saying it's overrated because of your opinions. Whatever, doesn't matter.

Back on topic, while I favored Sonic 3 over 2, I think mostly because of the ability to save, level select, and hyper sonic, Sonic 2 I believe changed the franchise more simply because it added the first additional character as well as spindash, Sonic's iconic attack (aside from the more recent homing attack).

I would also like to point out Sonic 2006's affect on the franchise. Starting from that game, the 3D games have become less platform orientated and more focused on speed and more speed. While the game itself may not of been the best in the series, its influence can be linked to better new ones, like Colors (albeit Colors has cut back the speed a little for more platforming).

While I don't care for Sonic 2006, I do appreciate the platform genre more than the speed 3D. I wish they'd bring it back. they let one game get them in the hole there.

Speed and platforming should be mixed, my good friend momentum, who lives within the classic Sonic games made it so Speed and Platforming could live in harmony.

Schismatist wrote:

Sonic Adventure 2 wrote:

While I don't care for Sonic 2006, I do appreciate the platform genre more than the speed 3D. I wish they'd bring it back. they let one game get them in the hole there.

Speed and platforming should be mixed, my good friend momentum, who lives within the classic Sonic games made it so Speed and Platforming could live in harmony.

I agree to a certain extent. You're right. I prefer more platforming, but seeing how Sonic is speed, they should be mixed. But throwing a werehog in the game as a platformer isn't the answer. I'd rather have the original Sonic do both. I'm more of a platformer though, but this is just me.

Sonic Adventure 2 wrote:

Schismatist wrote:
Speed and platforming should be mixed, my good friend momentum, who lives within the classic Sonic games made it so Speed and Platforming could live in harmony.

I agree to a certain extent. You're right. I prefer more platforming, but seeing how Sonic is speed, they should be mixed. But throwing a werehog in the game as a platformer isn't the answer. I'd rather have the original Sonic do both. I'm more of a platformer though, but this is just me.

No no no, I fully agree, Sonic Colors, I think, defines Sonic gameplay. It's only problem is its lack of platforming in 3D areas.

I like to think that Colors makes a fine combination as well. I kinda like running fast in the 3D portions, yet they're short enough that you don't get tired of them (at least I never did). If the next game is as good (or even better) then Colors then I think Sonic is back on his feet, as it were.