Brawl or Melee?

Roterblitz wrote:

Link451 wrote:Brawl. It had more characters, more stages, online gameplay, and more things to achieve. I always figure the more content the better. Usually.

An increase in content isn't worth a decrease in quality, which I'm sure is what you meant by "usually", but I believe this is one of those cases. On the flip side, I was also rather disappointed with King of Fighters XII, despite the quality of its core gameplay, for its massive decrease in content.

I just didn't see anything Melee had that Brawl didn't. Brawl had pretty much all the same things just improved plus extra stuff as well. I'm not saying all video game sequels are better than their originals, but it does seem to be the case quite often.

Link451 wrote:I just didn't see anything Melee had that Brawl didn't. Brawl had pretty much all the same things just improved plus extra stuff as well. I'm not saying all video game sequels are better than their originals, but it does seem to be the case quite often.

That's what I said, Brawl had more content and sequels usually are better (except movies), but the quality of Brawl's core gameplay was so much worse that it is actually considered by many to be overall worse than the game that came before it.

Roterblitz wrote:

Link451 wrote:I just didn't see anything Melee had that Brawl didn't. Brawl had pretty much all the same things just improved plus extra stuff as well. I'm not saying all video game sequels are better than their originals, but it does seem to be the case quite often.

That's what I said, Brawl had more content and sequels usually are better (except movies), but the quality of Brawl's core gameplay was so much worse that it is actually considered by many to be overall worse than the game that came before it.

Really? I didn't see how it was any worse. It was the same general thing. A bunch of playable characters fighting each other in Nintendo based levels with their own movesets.

I don't think Brawl's quality was really much worse then Melee. It still was an incredibly fun game, and all of the extra features made up for it.

I geus because I am used to it, Melee

Link451 wrote:Really? I didn't see how it was any worse. It was the same general thing. A bunch of playable characters fighting each other in Nintendo based levels with their own movesets.

The premise didn't change, the gameplay did. If I were only judging them by the amount of content, Brawl does have more, but Melee was still more fun to actually play.

Roterblitz wrote:

Link451 wrote:Really? I didn't see how it was any worse. It was the same general thing. A bunch of playable characters fighting each other in Nintendo based levels with their own movesets.

The premise didn't change, the gameplay did. If I were only judging them by the amount of content, Brawl does have more, but Melee was still more fun to actually play.

Only a tad bit, at least in my opinion.

sykog77 wrote:Only a tad bit, at least in my opinion.

Try using Captain Falcon against a decent Meta... actually, just try using Captain Falcon, you will notice a very significant change in physics and hit detection.

Not really, no. I didn't notice much of any difference.

The Freedom Fighter wrote:Not really, no. I didn't notice much of any difference.

Are we playing the same game? How do you not notice the difference in how he hits anything?

Roterblitz wrote:

The Freedom Fighter wrote:Not really, no. I didn't notice much of any difference.

Are we playing the same game? How do you not notice the difference in how he hits anything?

Maybe I got a special version. Then again, I was just trying to win, not as much comparing on how much better I did (although I did died more in Melee against Mario than in Brawl, I did also fight Metaknight, and I did better against him than both Mario fights in both games).

Roterblitz wrote:

sykog77 wrote:Only a tad bit, at least in my opinion.

Try using Captain Falcon against a decent Meta... actually, just try using Captain Falcon, you will notice a very significant change in physics and hit detection.

Well,I'm not very good at noticing differences.just think that
Captain Falcon is bettor in Melee. All I know is is that Brawl is more slower paced, especially falling, and that you can't air dodge in certain directions. To me,they are just slightly different games and, both equally fun.

sykog77 wrote:All I know is is that Brawl is more slower paced, especially falling, and that you can't air dodge in certain directions.

There's more to it than that, but those two changes alone make it nearly impossible to perform any kind of combo against a human player, which is generally the entire point of playing any fighting game more challenging than Rock'em Sock'em Robots.

Due to a likely unforeseen result of combining both the new gravity and air-dodge systems, even an unskilled human player can use an air dodge immediately after any hit, long before the attacker can follow up, making any attempt at combos or strategies whatsoever almost completely worthless while encouraging spammers and turtles.

And that's not even mentioning the hit detection, character balance, and glitches.

I don't like using combos, I just like to beat stuff up. I'd say the entire point is more opinionated.

The Freedom Fighter wrote:I don't like using combos, I just like to beat stuff up. I'd say the entire point is more opinionated.

welcome to my world.

The Freedom Fighter wrote:I don't like using combos, I just like to beat stuff up. I'd say the entire point is more opinionated.

A fighting game without combos is Rock'em Sock'em Robots. Do you play any other fighting games besides Super Smash Bros?

Roterblitz wrote:

The Freedom Fighter wrote:I don't like using combos, I just like to beat stuff up. I'd say the entire point is more opinionated.

A fighting game without combos is Rock'em Sock'em Robots. Do you play any other fighting games besides Super Smash Bros?

Of course I do.

Roterblitz wrote:

sykog77 wrote:All I know is is that Brawl is more slower paced, especially falling, and that you can't air dodge in certain directions.

There's more to it than that, but those two changes alone make it nearly impossible to perform any kind of combo against a human player, which is generally the entire point of playing any fighting game more challenging than Rock'em Sock'em Robots.

Due to a likely unforeseen result of combining both the new gravity and air-dodge systems, even an unskilled human player can use an air dodge immediately after any hit, long before the attacker can follow up, making any attempt at combos or strategies whatsoever almost completely worthless while encouraging spammers and turtles.

And that's not even mentioning the hit detection, character balance, and glitches.

Well, I still enjoy it. I'm not very good at the games, so I couldn't get combos anyways.

sykog77 wrote:Well, I still enjoy it. I'm not very good at the games, so I couldn't get combos anyways.

I'm not even talking about anything "advanced", but even guys who are skilled at the game can't get combos either, except with a select few characters who have glitches.

In Melee, a great player using an average character will usually beat a less skilled player even with a better character, but in Brawl, there isn't much you can do with skill.

Roterblitz wrote:

sykog77 wrote:Well, I still enjoy it. I'm not very good at the games, so I couldn't get combos anyways.

I'm not even talking about anything "advanced", but even guys who are skilled at the game can't get combos either, except with a select few characters who have glitches.

In Melee, a great player using an average character will usually beat a less skilled player even with a better character, but in Brawl, there isn't much you can do with skill.

The fact that several people can annhilate any player they play against on Wi-Fi as any character proves your point wrong.

Brawl. All the way.
Love my toon link.

But most of my video game lifespan was nothing without melee.

Hidethegames wrote:Brawl. All the way.
Love my toon link.

But most of my video game lifespan was nothing without melee.

I like Young Link better.

I liked Toon Link more because he felt faster and lighter.

And I play as Marth too, but I'm not as good with him like my Toon Link.

Brawl because it had alot of hype and got delayed 3 times.
Plus, the story was way past cool.
Although I think not giving each charater their own target practice was gay. Board the platforms!